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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can sympathize with you, but I don't see much being done about it any time soon. I have to say though, that one year I was in the training room when track uniforms were handed out, so, by the time I was able to go get one, all the shorts that would have fit me were gone and I had to end up wearing a pair that were a size or two too small. So I know how the girls feel. I was embarassed that they were so tight that they left nothing to the imagination as far as outline was concerned. They were so bad that I tore my hip flexor in a 100 m race and the trainer wouldn't treat me until I went and put some other shorts on over the top even though I physically could not lift my right leg and my shorts were like 100 yards from the training table. On the other hand, I was a teenaged guy, so I sort of thought it was funny (when I wasn't being embarassed) that, if you looked, you could definitely see my package, plus I figured it cut down on wind resitance to have shorts so tight, and when you're a sprinter that's important. But still, yeah, I've been there, and, no, it's not always fun, but I don't see them changing the uniforms any time soon. For bigger or smaller.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've really got to side with poncho and others here on this issue. The tight shorts are completely inappropriate for girls volleyball. I have a hard time believing that they serve any purpose other than to put girls' bodies on display when they're the center of attention.

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I don't like my girl out there with her hands on her knees and her rear end stuck out there for all to see.

Well you're definitely not alone. Just imagine if this were your daughter.



This kind of display is highly inappropriate and exploititive. I certainly applaud any girls who are able to go out there, play well, and focus on your game in spite of what is showing. It's pretty much what separates the champions.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No offense, but don't you find it the slightest bit ironic that you're talking about how inappropriate a display it is for the girls to wear these tight shorts in a gym where (let's face it at least at most schools around where I grew up) there aren't all that many fans in the stands, but you took a picture of these tight shorts and how they expose things and posted it on the internet for the world to see?

Just something to think about before you post things on the internet.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any issue with the photos above...maybe I am used to seeing girls/women dressed like this all the time though since I coached and have played for so long.

IMO it is the stare that makes it inppropriate not the outfit. Now overweight girls/women (seriously over weight no 5-10 lbs over weight) in those shorts...now THAT I have an issue with.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some colleges I've seen have shorter shorts than that where you actually see cheek hanging out. Not the most attractive of looks. But I just don't get the whole idea of, "oh this is so bad, let me take a picture of it and post it on the internet."
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some colleges I've seen have shorter shorts than that where you actually see cheek hanging out. Not the most attractive of looks. But I just don't get the whole idea of, "oh this is so bad, let me take a picture of it and post it on the internet."


I agree with that statement.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure why the whole cheek hanging out thing is bothersome. I mean you see more skin than that watching girls play volleyball in their bikinis, but there's just something wrong about seeing cheek hanging out of an indoor uniform.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I didn't write this in my post above, but I thought it would be painfully obvious -- I didn't take these pictures. I suppose the point is that due to the nature (and dimensions) of the standard shorts, "cheeks" aren't the only thing "hanging out". Staring or not, I think there's pretty much no appropriate reason for that amount of display.

As it happens, I found about 50-100 of these pictures in a rather feebly hidden folder on my son's computer. I feel that his mother and I should confront him on this, but if his sister found out (who is on the team) I fear it could get ugly.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally do not see anything wrong. I had that issue at first with myself, but the shorts are tight, they are made to be tight. U should be concentrating on the game not on the unif. Look at bicyclist, their spandex, or bike shorts are really tight too. Commenting on the hanging thing. Nothing wrong this is very natural to many girls. I dont know, but I dont think anything is wrong with spandex. i would much rather be playing in them then longer sports shorts, which I personally dont mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the pictures aren't posted here, then they're posted on many other sites on the internet. As long as we're viewing subjectively for what they are, I'm ok with it. I think we're all adults here. If someone wants to view these images in a peverted way then they're going to do it no matter what. Now if the images affect the way we carry on this topic of discussion then I'll remove them.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will notice that the girl in the picture has rolled her shorts to make them even tighter. The majority of girls/women don't seem to have a problem with the shorts. Most of them pull them even tighter and roll the tops down so there is even less coverage. Uniforms cover more that what a female will wear to the beach and sometimes even what is every day wear.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. So what you're saying is that the problem isn't the apparel, but the way certain individuals view it?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I think they're two separate issues. I don't like those uniforms, but I'm just old school. It started coming to the volleyball scene when I was still coaching so I've seen much worse than the pictures shown in this thread. So what I'm trying to say is, the apparel is one problem and the individuals we're talking about will find something to get their fix on regardless of the apparel.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worse than that? I've seen some colleges that come to play our ladies have shorter shorts than that, but not by much. It's usually that they don't fit certain ladies' body types all that well and lead to things hanging out that is more of a problem than shorter/tighter shorts or whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The girls I coached didn't do this, but most of the teams in our league went beyond spandex shorts. They were wearing bikini style spandex.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Was this high school? And the administrators/parents were ok with that?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess so. I wouldn't have allowed it on my team. But it was never an issue because my girls wouldn't think of doing that in the first place. The league we were in primarily consisted of schools that are from the upper class portion of Orange County.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, pretty sure that wouldn't fly here in the conservative midwest.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Yep Reply with quote

They did at my HS "here in the midwest".
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I guess maybe my conservative little town was different from where you grew up. There I remember male friends getting suspended for wearing umbros (this was back when everything soccer was cool and) or black nail polish. I just don't seem them allowing spandex bikini bottoms for the volleyball team. Who knows, they may have, or the school's administrators could have loosened up in the last 10 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

himespau wrote:
I guess maybe my conservative little town was different from where you grew up. There I remember male friends getting suspended for wearing umbros (this was back when everything soccer was cool and) or black nail polish. I just don't seem them allowing spandex bikini bottoms for the volleyball team. Who knows, they may have, or the school's administrators could have loosened up in the last 10 years.

It was in '86 in a school with less than 450 students in a conservative blue collar small town. They were introduced by a female coach and bunhuggers were seen as appropriate gear for the sport.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At our school they were called bun huggers too, but they looked pretty much like what is shown above.
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i find it odd that nobody has looked at what this "girl" is saying more seriously. it seems to me that she is fishing here, pretty hard i might add, for somebody to pitch her some sort of erotic explanation for all this. i am in law enforcement, and am perhaps a bit more cynical than most people, but i have a pretty well honed BS meter also.

before anybody asks where i'm coming from, i help coach vb at a nearby HS that i'm affiliated with. i do not do it full time, but i know enough to know a little.

also, the picture she provided is at least 2 years old. i belong to a site that is used for hosting team and action shots, and the team picture she used for her personal picture was featured a good while back.

my two cents, i'm sure i'll get berrated and chewed out for it. just thought you all might like another take on things.


funny, that same thought ran across my mind. i got the "fishing" idea but quickly dismissed it. but if you say that picture is at least 2 years old (prior to when this person posted it), then it makes you statements a little more credible. i don't know.
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vbcrazygirl wrote:
Hey everyone, thanks so much for the advice/support Exclamation Very Happy Can one of you guys explain to me, what is it about tight volleyball shorts and a bulging crotch that guys are so obsessed with???

I just don't get it.



Well, I think the answer is pretty simple. I mean, men like the female body. I don't think there's anything "wrong" with it. Instincts were instilled in men to like the female form. However, it is up to the man to know how to control it, and I think anyone can control. For example, any heterosexual male coach of a girl's team probably likes the female form as well. Does that mean he should be staring and gawking at the women on his team? No, that would be unproffessional and could make the female players feel uneasy and would probably cost him his job. He needs to put those desires away, and it really isn't that hard. No sane man would stare at his sister or mother -- and they're women; so it's not really difficult to view girls on a team the same way. There are also other boundaries -- it's not acceptable for the coach because he's an adult and the high school team is filled with minors... however it's more acceptable for high school boys their age. So you've got to know their boundaries.

I also believe some of the women here that have stated they like wearing spandex shorts may like the attention -- so it all depends on the woman.

On the flip side, I don't know if it'll make you ladies feel better, but when I wear spandex shorts (for cycling, or sometimes for running/working out), I catch women staring and giving quick glances at my crotch area. If anything, I think women STARE more at men's "bulges" in spandex shorts, than men do at women's crotches. The reason being is that you're more likely to see a woman wearing spandex. Women are not used to seeing men in spandex or seeing their "bulges" because men in general wear looser fitting clothing. So when they see a man in spandex it's like these women's eyes get trained on his crotch. I'm pretty sure any man can vouch for me here that has worn spandex while running or cycling, and have been around a group of women and noticed the stares/glances. Just giving a different perspective. Smile
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